NYC Gifted and Talented Program and Testing


NYC Gifted and Talented Information Sessions
September 27, 2017, 12:52 pm
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All districts to host NYC G&T Info. Sessions

You can get to know all about the NYC Gifted and Talented program during the upcoming information sessions in October through November. They can tell you all about the OLSAT and NNAT-2 tests along with any other questions you may have about admission requirements for the G&T program for New York City.

Here are some tips and tricks about the NYC Gifted and Talented Program:

  1. There are two types of G&T programs, District and Citywide. True
  2. Students must take the G&T Test to participate in G&T. True
  3. Students must score a 90 or higher on the G&T test to get a G&T application. True
  4. There is no guarantee that a student will get a gifted and talented offer letter, regardless of their OLSAT and NNAT-2 scores. True
  5. The gifted programs in NYC give admission priority with siblings currently enrolled in those programs.  True

As with last year, these sessions are now held at the district level and parents can do one-stop shopping to learn all about the G&T program, universal pre-K and kindergarten admission requirements.

If you can make one the sessions below the DOE does request you RSVP here.

* Middle school admissions will be discussed

DISTRICT LOCATION DATE & TIME

 District 1

 P.S. 15 Roberto Clemente
333 East 4th Street
Manhattan, NY 10009
 Tuesday, November 14, 2017
5:30–7:30pm

 District 2

 M.S. 260 Clinton School Writers Artists
10 East 15th Street
Manhattan, NY 10003
 Wednesday, October 25, 2017
6–8pm

 District 3

 Joan of Arc building
(P.S. 333 Manhattan School for Children)
154 West 93rd Street
Manhattan, NY 10025
 Tuesday, October 24, 2017
5:30–7:30pm

 District 4*

 The Tito Puente Complex
240 East 109th Street
Manhattan, NY 10029
 Tuesday, October 3, 2017
5:30–7:30pm

 District 5*

 P.S. 092 Mary McLeod Bethune
222 West 134th Street
Manhattan, NY 10030
 Wednesday, October 11, 2017
5:30–7:30pm
 District 6*  J.H.S. 143 Eleanor Roosevelt
511 West 182nd Street
Manhattan, NY 10033
 Tuesday, October 17, 2017
5:30–7:30pm
 District 7*  P.S. 065 Mother Hale Academy
677 East 141st Street
Bronx, NY 10454
 Thursday, October 19, 2017
5:30–7:30pm
 District 8  P.S. 119
1075 Pugsley Avenue
Bronx, NY 10472
 Tuesday, October 24, 2017
5:30–7:30pm
 District 9*  P.S./I.S. 218 Rafael Hernandez Dual   Language Magnet School
1220 Gerard Avenue
Bronx, NY 10452
 Tuesday, October 10, 2017
5:30–7:30pm
 District 10* P.S. 306/ The Bronx School Of Young Leaders
40 West Tremont Avenue
Bronx, NY 10453
 Tuesday, October 3, 2017
5:30–7:30pm
 District 11* Michelangelo Middle School (J.H.S. 144)
2545 Gunther Avenue
Bronx, NY 10469
 Tuesday, October 17, 2017
5:30–7:30pm
 District 12*  Mott Hall V
1551 E 172nd Street
Bronx, NY 10472
 Tuesday, October 10, 2017
5:30–7:30pm
 District 13  P.S. 133 William A. Butler
610 Baltic Street
Brooklyn, NY 11217
 Wednesday, October 25, 2017
5:30–7:30pm
 District 14  P.S. 257 John F. Hylan
60 Cook Street
Brooklyn, NY 11206
 Thursday, October 19, 2017
5:30–7:30pm
 District 15 P.S. 024
427 38th Street
Brooklyn, NY 11232
 Tuesday, October 24, 2017
5–7:30pm
 District 16* P.S. 308 Clara Cardwell
616 Quincy Street
Brooklyn, NY 11221
 Wednesday, October 18, 2017
5:30–7:30pm
 District 17* Dr. Jacqueline PeekDavis School/ Ronald Edmonds Learning Center II
430 Howard Avenue
Brooklyn, NY 11233
 Tuesday, October 3, 2017
5:30–7:30pm
 District 18* P.S 66
845 East 96th Street
Brooklyn, NY 11236
 Wednesday, October 18, 2017
5:30–7:30pm
 District 19* P.S. 013 Roberto Clemente
557 Pennsylvania Avenue
Brooklyn, NY 11207
 Thursday, October 19, 2017
5:30–7:30pm
 District 20 Franklin D. Roosevelt High School
5800 20th Avenue
Brooklyn, NY 11204
 Wednesday, October 25, 2017
5:30–7:30pm
 District 21 P.S. 215 Morris H. Weiss
415 Avenue S
Brooklyn, NY 11223
 Thursday, October 19, 2017
5:30–7:30pm
 District 22 P.S. 222 Katherine R. Snyder
3301 Quentin Road
Brooklyn, NY 11234
 Wednesday, October 18, 2017
5:30–7:30pm
 District 23* P.S. 156K Waverly School of the Arts
104 Sutter Avenue
Brooklyn, NY 11212
 Tuesday, October 10, 2017
5:30–7:30pm
 District 24 P.S. 110
43-18 97th Place
Queens, NY 11368
 Wednesday, October 25, 2017
5:30–7:30pm
 District 25 I.S. 025 Adrien Block
34-65 192nd Street
Queens, NY 11358
 Tuesday, October 24, 2017
5:30–7:30pm
 District 26 P.S./I.S. 266
74-10 Commonwealth Boulevard
Queens, NY 11426
 Wednesday, October 11, 2017
5:30–7:30pm
 District 27 P.S. 306 New York City Academy for Discovery
95-16 89th Avenue
Queens, NY 11421
 Wednesday, October 25, 2017
5:30–7:30pm
 District 28  P.S. 182 Samantha Smith
153-27 88th Avenue
Queens, NY 11432
 Tuesday, October 17, 2017
6–7:30pm
 District 29*  Springfield Gardens Educational Campus
143-10 Springfield Boulevard
Queens, NY 11413
 Tuesday, October 10, 2017
5:30–7:30pm
 District 30  P.S. 149 Christa Mcauliffe
93-11 34 Avenue
Queens, NY 11372
 Tuesday, October 24, 2017
5:30–7:30pm
 District 31*  New Dorp High School
465 New Dorp Lane
Staten Island, NY 10306
 Wednesday, October 11, 2017
5–7:30pm
 District 32  P.S. 376
194 Harman Street
Brooklyn, NY 11237
 Tuesday, October 24, 2017
5:30–7:30pm

Gifted and Talented programs are one way that New York City supports the educational needs of exceptional students. To participate in G&T admissions, sign your child up to take the OLSAT and NNAT-2 tests. Students who get a high enough score on this test will have the chance to apply for G&T programs.



Teaching reading helps with NYC gifted and talented test prep

As parents, we all want our children to be voracious readers.

Reading is the basis for so many academic skills, and reading often can increase your child’s vocabulary, attention span, and even his or her IQ! And of course any early reading you practice with your child will be of great assistance to those tough questions on the OLSAT test given for the NYC gifted and talented test. 

When their children are too young to read on their own, most parents read books to their children. Bedtime stories are an age-old tradition, and they are a great way to spark an early interest in — and love for — reading in your child.

I want to talk about an activity that can help your child gain even more from reading. Dialogic reading is a technique that makes reading more interactive: instead of just reading a book or chapter from beginning to end, you and your child have an ongoing conversation about the story as you read. The technique varies based on your child’s age and the type of book you’re reading; you should also keep track of what questions spark his interest and how well he’s responding to what you say.

After every page or two, you’ll want to use the PEER (Prompt, Evaluate, Expand, Repeat) sequence, which consists of the following:

  • Prompt your child to say something about the story: Ask an open-ended question about the plot, or ask why or when something happened. You can also ask your child to reword what happened, or to predict what will come next. You can even ask her to tie the story into something in her own life (for example, “Do you remember when we went for a hike in the woods, like the characters in the book did?”).
    • If you are reading picture books with a young child (2 to 3 years old), you can ask her what a certain picture is, or craft a what/where question (“What color is the car? Where is it going?”). You can also create a sentence and have your child fill in a blank (“Look at this car. Its tires are black and the hubcaps are ___________”).
  • Evaluate his response: If your child gets an answer right, give him positive reinforcement. If he’s wrong, don’t explicitly say so; rather, gently correct his answer (“It did seem like Mr. Smith went to the store on Tuesday, but actually it was Wednesday. They made that part tricky.”)
  • Expand on your child’s answer: This can be done either by adding more information to your child’s response and/or rephrasing what she said. (“Yes, the farmers did go to the market, and they also went for a hayride after that”).
  • Repeat your initial prompt: Here, work the expansion you just added into the prompt. So, for example, ask your child when the hayride occurred, or who went on it.

This technique isn’t just fun; it is a great way to put your child’s reading skills on the fast track. In a study, researchers found that children whose parents used dialogic reading for four weeks scored 6.5 to 8 months farther ahead than children who were read to in a standard fashion.

Part of making your child a better reader is helping her become a better listener! Watch the video below:



Back to school for PS 33 Chelsea Prep
September 7, 2017, 1:47 pm
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Chelsea Prep PS 33 PTA Sends Welcome Message to Parents and Students

It’s that time of year again: the first day of school! The students and parents at PS 33 Chelsea Prep (One of the most popular district 2 NYC Gifted and Talented Programs) are ready to get back to G&T basics as we head into the fall season.  Here’s a welcome message sent out by the PTA at Chelsea Prep:

Welcome back!
Dear PS 33 Chelsea Prep families,

We are thrilled to welcome all new and returning families to PS 33. We hope your summer was filled with wonderful memories!

Please join us for our first PTA general meeting on September 18th in the auditorium at 8:45. You’ll be able to meet the Executive Board and learn all about PTA-supported programs that are available to PS 33 students. Please join us for a welcome breakfast following the meeting in the school’s garden.

Please consider volunteering at our school! Your ideas, time, and talents are truly needed. There are many areas where you can contribute and we will gladly match your time constraints and interests with needed tasks.

The PS33 PTA is looking forward to another exciting and productive school year!



Admissions into the gifted and talented program

The only requirement is acing the OLSAT and NNAT-2 tests

It’s no secret that the OLSAT and NNAT-2 tests used to screen kids for admission to NYC G&T program are hard. As more and more parents decide that they want their child to receive the best education possible, more are applying their children to these advanced programs – and so the tests are getting increasingly difficult and competitive. This past January over 2,000 more pre-K students took the G&T test for kindergarten admissions with very few additional seats added. This meant over 35% of the kids who qualified for a G&T seat didn’t get a spot because there weren’t enough seats available!

Ask your little one this sample OLSAT test question: Look at the space ship in the first box. Do you see the round windows on the red part of the space ship? If the space ship carried the same number of space babies to earth as thenumber of round windows you can count, point to the box that shows how many space babies the space ship carried to earth.

As a result, it’s no longer enough just to throw your child into the testing room and hope that they pass. Even the smartest kids – if they don’t prepare – are now being outgunned by kids who might not be as inherently bright, but whose parents spend months or even years planning, meticulously, for the testing and admissions process.

A mom from Queens tells her G&T story

Well, recently I spoke to a mother (from Queens) of a very bright boy who, for a long time, thought she knew better than those of us who have been through the testing process before. I had spoken to this mom, who we’ll call Debbie, before, and explained to her how crucial it is to at least familiarize her son Jordan with the material he would face on the test. Plus, I reminded her that most children her son’s age haven’t ever been in a testing situation before, so they need to be mentally prepared for the process of sitting for half an hour or more, locked in a room with a usually stone-faced test proctor who isn’t allowed to give any feedback – positive or negative.

Debbie listened politely, but I could tell she wasn’t hearing what I was saying: she had already made up her mind, and wouldn’t be doing any prep work with her son. You know the type – right?

“Jordan is so smart,” Debbie told me more than once. “He always gets A’s on his tests in school, so why should this test be any different?”

“Besides,” Debbie told me, “I’ve always felt that these tests are meant to measure kids’ intelligence, so preparing with them is essentially ‘cheating’: either the kid is smart or he isn’t.”

Debbie kept in touch with me as OLSAT and NNAT-2 tests day drew closer, letting me know how well Jordan was doing in school and how confident she was that he would ace the test. I wished her luck and held out hope that Jordan would pass the test and make it into their local gifted program – but I knew that the odds were against him, given Debbie’s steadfast refusal to do anything to prepare him for the exam.

Sure enough, Jordan went into the test unprepared. When the OLSAT test scores came in, Jordan had done well – surprisingly well, in fact: he’d earned a score in the 95th percentile, very impressive for a child who hadn’t done any kind of preparatory work. But it wasn’t quite good enough to get Jordan into the program his mother was sure he was destined for: just to be considered for a seat at a citywide program like NEST+m or Anderson, Jordan needed to score in the 99th percentile.

Debbie was devastated. She was sure that Jordan would skate into the program, and she was convinced that “unworthy” kids had taken his spot. Disappointment turned to bitterness, and Debbie soured on the idea of ever applying Jordan to another gifted program. Her exact words: “I’m done. I’ll never let my child take another one of these OLSAT tests again.”

I knew this was a mistake as well. I told Debbie over and over: Jordan had a good shot of passing the gifted test the following year – if she took my advice and prepared him for it this time. For months, Debbie refused to budge: Jordan would never take that test again.

I refused to take no for an answer, though, since I was as convinced as Debbie that Jordan had too much potential to be stuck in a general education program. I kept on Debbie: try again next year. If you do take concrete steps to get Jordan ready, he’ll do fine.

Thankfully, after months of despair and hand-wringing, Debbie came to her senses and decided to apply Jordan to the gifted program again. Within a week, she signed up for a Testing Mom for the OLSAT practice questions  and began working with Jordan. They started out slow, getting Jordan used to the format of the questions and the process of sitting still and focusing on the material. As time went on, Debbie extended the practice time and increased the difficulty of the questions they worked with. By the time test day rolled around again, Jordan was accustomed to sitting and focusing for nearly an hour and answering questions designed for kids at least two grade levels above his own.

Before long, scores came out again and this time the news was unequivocally good: Jordan scored in the 99th percentile, qualifying him for the citywide gifted program and guess what? He made it into NEST+M one of the most sought after G&T programs in NYC!



Not enough gifted and talented seats in the Bronx
May 12, 2017, 2:20 pm
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The lawmakers passed a bill for parents to be better informed of the NYC Gifted and Talented Program for the Bronx, specially in district 10.  As more and more kids take the test citywide (including the Bronx) that means more and more kids are receiving a qualifying score to entry into this competitive program across all five boroughs in the city. The Bronx and Staten Island are the only two boroughs that currently do not have a citywide program and have a short supply of district wide programs for both.  This new plan from lawmakers requires that all parents of pre-K students receive multiple notifications of the NYC Gifted and Talented Program .  Many parents complain (rightfully so) of how hard it is to get information from the DOE web site that honestly needs a complete overhaul and better usability.

Many advocates of better communication are pushing that all pre-K students take the G&T test and the parents will need to opt-out of taking the test. This of course would dramatically increase the raw number of kids taking this test, especially in lower income areas of the Bronx. The hopes would be more qualifying students since most parents would not opt-out of their child taking the test. We’ll see if this proposal moves forward since this would not only impact the Bronx but all other boroughs for children in the universal pre-K program in NYC. The implications of have even more kids taking the test leads to the larger issue of where are all the kids going to get a seat in the G&T program that’s already in short supply.

 

Right now, there are only two district wide programs in district 10:



Hunter College Elementary School Gifted and Talented Program

Hunter College Elementary School Gifted and Talented Program

Here’s an overview of the ultra competitive Hunter College Elementary School program located on the Upper East Side. Children applying to kindergarten take a modified version of the Stanford-Binet® V test from September through November (the year before they start kindergarten).  Over the past few years the qualifying score for 2nd round at Hunter ranged from 143 through 149 s – students who qualify go on to round 2, where more testing will be done.  Percentile rankings will show a child’s standing in comparison to students his own age, not grade level.

 

Criteria for admissions for Hunter College Elementary

  • Manhattan residents only! 25 boys and 25 girls for admitted for K
  • Once you apply, you get a Hunter ID # and 3 weeks to schedule and complete testing – $350 for test; $70 application fee,
  • You’ll get a choice of 5 testers and you can only contact 1 for an appointment.

 

Most people have heard about IQ scores — 146 to 159 is “highly gifted,” 131 to 145 is considered “moderately gifted,” 116 to 130 is “high average,” and 85 – 115 is considered “average.” For many children, the difference between being labeled highly gifted or gifted can come down to a single point, and that one point may impact their ability to get into fantastic Gifted and Talented programs that will provide tremendous educational benefits.  For example, last year, children needed to score at least 148 to be invited to the second round of testing for admission to Hunter College Elementary, one of the top gifted programs in the country that is located in New York City. .

Because an IQ test is so different from a skills or achievement test, it is harder to study for. Additionally, since it is given to children so young, there is a chance that a child might get scared or nervous, and make mistakes that could cost him many points. Most children taking the Stanford-Binet test at age-4 have never taken a test before in their lives.  They may not know how to sit still for a long period of time, listen carefully to what is being asked of them, how to think through a question and look at all the answer choices before jumping in and responding.  This is a brand new skill set for little (and even many older!) children.  Developing these test-taking abilities is as challenging to young children as knowing the answers to the questions they are being asked.

The Stanford-Binet® test is a particularly hard test because it includes so many different subtests.  While many tests group the same types of questions together, which allows children to become more comfortable with the material, a psychologist administering the Stanford-Binet test will skip around and mix different types of questions together.  This can be confusing for some children.  For these reasons, we believe it is critical that (at the minimum) you give your child exposure to the types of questions that he or she will encounter on the test.



Tons of questions from parents about NYC gifted and talented

Testing Mom Facebook Live the other night received tons of questions from parents about NYC gifted and talented test results that were recently released.

The folks over at TestingMom.com hosted a very informative Facebook Live the other night for frantic NYC parents who just received the test results for their talented tots. These parents all seemed to be the lucky ones whose children made a score high enough on the NNAT-2 test and OLSAT test to qualify for a coveted seat into one of these elite kindergartens in New York City for the 2017-2018 school year. It seemed that all the parents on the Facebook Live feed were happy since they were asking about what schools were the best and bragging about their gifted girls and brilliant boys throughout the hour+ session on Facebook. Here are a few of the many questions that the New York City parents were spouting throughout the session:

  • I called the kinder doe hotline and was told that admissions to district gifted and talented is based on lottery. The G&T handbooks however states that they go by the score. So confused.
  • Given your experience what are your thoughts on PS 33 Chelsea Prep G&T? Seemed like a very large school. Do you feel it is luck of the draw based on your assigned teacher?
  • Our son scored 97th percentile, our one in district school with a gifted and talented class isn’t so great. being in the 97th percentile, how good are his chances at a better district school with a G&T class?
  • Do you know anything about District 22 G&T schools in Brooklyn? Our son’s overall score was 92 and his current school has a G&T program but I was told by a parent that he needed to score in the 99th percentile to get in.
  • We are in District 14, and there is only one G&T Program, once you are under 97%, how do they decide placement in district-wide, is it a lottery and is it worth exploring districts outside your own? Any thoughts on PS 132?
  • My older one is in citywide G&T school at TAG. The younger one is District G&T program already. Last 2 years she got 96. Is there any chance to get in TAG as sibling preferences. By the way, the younger one will be in 3rd grade next year.