Filed under: NYC Gifted and Talented Program, OLSAT Test, testingmom.com | Tags: NYC Gifted and Talented, testing mom
Testing Mom Facebook Live the other night received tons of questions from parents about NYC gifted and talented test results that were recently released.
The folks over at TestingMom.com hosted a very informative Facebook Live the other night for frantic NYC parents who just received the test results for their talented tots. These parents all seemed to be the lucky ones whose children made a score high enough on the NNAT-2 test and OLSAT test to qualify for a coveted seat into one of these elite kindergartens in New York City for the 2017-2018 school year. It seemed that all the parents on the Facebook Live feed were happy since they were asking about what schools were the best and bragging about their gifted girls and brilliant boys throughout the hour+ session on Facebook. Here are a few of the many questions that the New York City parents were spouting throughout the session:
- I called the kinder doe hotline and was told that admissions to district gifted and talented is based on lottery. The G&T handbooks however states that they go by the score. So confused.
- Given your experience what are your thoughts on PS 33 Chelsea Prep G&T? Seemed like a very large school. Do you feel it is luck of the draw based on your assigned teacher?
- Our son scored 97th percentile, our one in district school with a gifted and talented class isn’t so great. being in the 97th percentile, how good are his chances at a better district school with a G&T class?
- Do you know anything about District 22 G&T schools in Brooklyn? Our son’s overall score was 92 and his current school has a G&T program but I was told by a parent that he needed to score in the 99th percentile to get in.
- We are in District 14, and there is only one G&T Program, once you are under 97%, how do they decide placement in district-wide, is it a lottery and is it worth exploring districts outside your own? Any thoughts on PS 132?
- My older one is in citywide G&T school at TAG. The younger one is District G&T program already. Last 2 years she got 96. Is there any chance to get in TAG as sibling preferences. By the way, the younger one will be in 3rd grade next year.
Filed under: NYC Gifted and Talented Program | Tags: citywide gifted program, district wide gifted programs, NEST gifted
NYC Gifted and Talented Testing
Here’s a good overview of the NYC gifted and talented program as of early 2017. If you are reading this, then you are a parent or a grandparent in NYC who is trying to find the best possible school for your little one. There are so many options in New York – private schools, gifted and talented programs, general education – it can sometimes feel overwhelming, especially if your child is just 4-years-old!
1) Citywide Gifted and Talented Programs – Children will take the Verbal Portion only of the Otis Lennon School Ability Test® (OLSAT® test), which counts for 50% of the child’s composite score (Following Directions, Aural Reasoning, Arithmetic Reasoning for Levels A, B, C or K – 2nd grade), and the Naglieri Nonverbal Ability Test® (NNAT®2 test), a non-verbal test, which counts for 50% of the child’s composite score. The question to your right is a practice question for the Pattern Completion subtest for the NNAT2 test.
|Level A||Pre-K to Kindergarten|
|Level B||First Grade|
|Level C||Second Grade|
Your child will be given a nationally normed percentile rank for the OLSAT test and a percentile rank for the NNAT2 test. Then, these two scores will be combined into a single percentile score that will be normed against other NYC students. A child must score at the 97th percentile or above to be eligible for these programs. In the last few years (due to space limitations), only children who score in the 99th percentile have gotten into these programs. The only exception to this is siblings of current students who are admitted with 97th percentile or above.
2) District Gifted and Talented Programs – Children will take the Verbal Portion only of the Otis Lennon School Ability Test (OLSAT test), which counts for 50% of the child’s composite score (Following Directions, Aural Reasoning, Arithmetic Reasoning for Levels A, B, C or K – 2nd grade), and the Naglieri Nonverbal Ability Test® (NNAT®2 test), a non-verbal test, which counts for 50% of the child’s composite score – a child must score at the 90th percentile or above to be eligible for these programs.
Your child will be given a nationally normed percentile rank for the OLSAT test and a percentile rank score for the NNAT2 test. Then, these two scores will be combined into a single percentile score that will be normed against other NYC students. A child must score at the 90th percentile or above to be eligible for these programs.
For the Otis Lennon School Ability Test® (OLSAT® test), there are 3 types of questions:
|Types of Questions||Description of type of OLSAT verbal questions|
|Arithmetic Reasoning||The child must listen carefully to math word problems that use basic mathematical concepts such as same, different, fewer, more, etc., along with simple addition, subtraction, fractions (half, quarter), etc.|
|Following Directions||Here the child must listen carefully to verbal questions describing similarities and differences, positional and rank comparisons (above, below, between, next to, bigger, smaller, etc.), or descriptions and choose visual images that fit the description.|
|Aural Reasoning||Again, the child must listen carefully to verbal descriptions of scenarios, similarities and differences, prepositions, and situations that use vocabulary or ideas that make the child think in order to choose the visual image that fits the description.|
According to the NY Times, councilman Bill Kallos, is proposing a new bill for the city to do deep dive into reporting of student information for public record. The NYC Dept of Ed. already posts on school capacity and whether a public school has too few or too many students. The councilman is proposing that residency information is also included. The impact of this is to not only tell what local kids are attending schools but also where NYC G&T students are coming from within their district or in the case of city wide programs where these students are commuting from. Many local residents complain that their child didn’t get a G&T seat because it was given to students who don’t even live near the school. Mr. Kallos hopes that this new bill will increase more diversity within the NYC school systems since many neighborhoods are segregated by socio-economic class and by race.
Pretty much all of the citywide and district wide G&T programs are jammed pack since parents are vying for so few spots with so many children making the qualifying score. Many of these same parents have decent gen ed programs in their neighborhood although they are seeking an even better education for their talented tot. That’s why so many parents in Brooklyn, Queens and Manhattan their young child for the NYC Gifted and Talented test and anxiously await the test results that arrive each April. Here’s some good info on the NYC Gifted and Talented Test along with tons of practice questions.
Filed under: NYC Gifted and Talented Program, Parents Resources for NYC G&T | Tags: nnat-2 test, NYC Gifted and Talented, OLSAT test
The NYC dept of ed changes gifted and talented information sessions for NYC parents. The sessions were previously held one time in each of the 5 boroughs. This year they will be hosting these seminars in each of the districts sprinkled throughout the city. Keep in mind, these sessions aren’t solely focused on the G&T program where they review OLSAT and NNAT-2 practice questions. These seminars also include pre-K and kindergarten (general ed.) information for parents considering these programs as well. Here are some practice questions for the OLSAT test and NNAT-2 test.
Here’s the schedule for November 2016:
|District 1||Thursday, December 1||6-8pm||P.S. 134 Henrietta Szold
293 East Broadway New York, NY 10002
|District 2||Wednesday, November 9||6-8pm||M.S. 260 Clinton School for Writers and Artists
10 East 15th Street New York, NY 10003
|District 3||Thursday, November 10||6-8pm||P.S. 333 Manhattan School for Children
154 W 93rd Street New York, NY 10025
|District 4||Thursday, November 17||4:30-7:30pm||The Tito Puente Complex
240 E 109th Street New York, NY 10029
|District 5||Monday, November 7||6-8pm||P.S. 092 Mary McLeod Bethune
222 West 134 Street New York, NY 10030
|District 6||Wednesday, November 9||6-8pm||P.S./I.S. 210 Twentyfirst Century Academy For Community Leadership
501-503 West 152 Street New York, NY 10031
|District 7||Wednesday, November 9||6-8pm||P.S. 065 Mother Hale Academy
677 East 141 Street Bronx, NY 10454
|District 8||Monday, November 7||6-8pm||P.S. 119
1075 Pugsley Avenue Bronx, NY 10472
|District 9||Thursday, November 10||6-8pm||P.S./I.S. 218 Rafael Hernandez Dual Language Magnet School
1220 Gerard Avenue Bronx, NY 10452
|District 10||Thursday, November 17||6-8pm||P.S. 279 Captain Manuel Rivera, Jr.
2100 Walton Avenue Bronx, NY 10453
|District 11||Monday, November 14||6-8pm||P.S./M.S. 194
2365 Waterbury Avenue Bronx, NY 10462
|District 12||Thursday, November 17||6-8pm||P.S. 214
1970 West Farms Road Bronx, NY 10460
|District 13||Tuesday, November 15||6:30-8:30pm||P.S. 133 William A. Butler
610 Baltic Street Brooklyn, NY 11217
|District 14||Thursday, November 17||6-8pm||P.S. 110 The Monitor
124 Monitor Street Brooklyn, NY 11222
|District 15||Monday, November 14||6-8pm||P.S. 24
427 38 Street Brooklyn, NY 11232
|District 16||Tuesday, November 1||6-8pm||P.S. 308 Clara Cardwell
616 Quincy Street Brooklyn, NY 11221
|District 17||Wednesday, November 9||6-8pm||P.S. 770 The New American Academy
60 E.94th Street Brooklyn, NY 11212
|District 18||Tuesday, November 1||6-8pm||P.S. 66
845 East 96 Street Brooklyn, NY 11236
|District 19||Thursday, November 10||6-8pm||P.S. 013 Roberto Clemente
557 Pennsylvania Avenue Brooklyn, NY 11207
|District 20||Tuesday, November 15||6-8pm||Franklin D. Roosevelt High School
5800 20th Avenue Brooklyn, New York 11204
|District 21||Monday, November 7||6-8pm||I.S. 096 Seth Low
99 Avenue P Brooklyn, NY 11204
|District 22||Monday, November 14||6-8pm||P.S. 222 Katherine R. Snyder
3301 Quentin Road Brooklyn, NY 11234
|District 23||Tuesday, November 1||6-8pm||P.S. 156K Waverly School of the Arts
104 Sutter Avenue Brooklyn, NY 11212
|District 24||Wednesday, November 16||6-8pm||P.S. 110
43-18 97th Place Queens, NY 11368
|District 25||Monday, November 14||6-8pm||I.S. 025 Adrien Block
34-65 192 Street Queens, NY 11358
|District 26||Wednesday, November 16||6-8pm||P.S./I.S. 266
74-10 Commonwealth Boulevard Queens, NY 11426
|District 27||Monday, November 14||6-8pm||M.S. 137 America’s School Of Heroes
109-15 98 Street Queens, NY 11417
|District 28||Monday, November 7||6-8pm||P.S. 182 Samantha Smith
153-27 88th Avenue Queens, NY 11432
|District 29||Tuesday, November 1||6-8pm||P.S. 035 Nathaniel Woodhull
191-02 90 Avenue Queens, NY 11423
|District 30||Thursday, November 17||6-8pm||The Woodside Community School
39-07 57th Street Queens, NY 11377
|District 1||Thursday, November 10||6-8pm||Space Shuttle Columbia
77 Marsh Avenue Staten Island, NY 10314
|District 32||Monday, November 7||6-8pm||P.S. 376
194 Harman Street Brooklyn, NY 11237
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NYC expands outreach for gifted and talented program by providing information sessions
In the past, the DOE help information sessions one per borough which garnered hundreds of anxious parents at once to herd into an auditorium to find out how their gifted girl or brilliant boy could get a coveted seat in the NYC G&T program for either citywide or district wide. The NYC Dept. of Ed. is hoping to increase overall parent attendance by having these information sessions at each of the districts to answer any and all questions parents may have about the program. It’s also a 3 for 1 special since these sessions will also have information. Here’s more information provided by the DOE on this must-attend events for parents of little ones. There’s also a great article on DNA Info outlining all these changes and schedule by district.
Filed under: NYC Gifted and Talented Program | Tags: nyc gifted talented, OLSAT test
Our friends at Testing Mom (home of the free practice questions for gifted and talented) are hosting two live seminars for parents in October. One will be on the Upper East Side and the other midtown west near Penn Station. Both seminars cover the same material so you only need to attend one.
If you’re a parent to a preschooler or early elementary school-aged child and feel overwhelmed or confused by the NYC gifted and talented program eligibility testing and admissions process, you can hear from a team of NYC experts. They do ask that due to the topic children should not attend these sessions. You can register below:
Filed under: NYC Gifted and Talented Program, OLSAT Test | Tags: hopeorgnyc, nnat test, NYC Gifted and Talented Program, OLSAT test
The non-profit HOPEorgNYC helps prepare kids for the gifted and talented test in New York City. Jill Goldstein, founder of @HOPEorgNYC, founded the non-profit in 2015 due to the lack of participation of students in lower-income areas of NYC who take the NYC gifted and talented test for children entering kindergarten through 3rd grade. The mission of this group is to lessen the divide within the gifted and talented program in New York City. HOPE meets with students every Saturday morning from September through January to help them prepare for the upcoming NNAT and OLSAT tests.
Over the years, it has been evident that the NYC gifted and talented program skews to more Caucasian and Asian students vs. African American and Latino students. The population of gifted and talented students based upon race is disproportionate to the racial population of the city. According to the NY Times, this racial segregation within the schools begins as early as pre-K and then really manifests itself going into kindergarten with the gifted and talented program.
HOPE plans to even out the playing field within district 10 in the Bronx where the program meets at the local library every Saturday to help local students prepare for the test. Their goal is two fold: help the kids succeed on the the G&T test and to do well in school.
Here are students who have benefited from the wonderful work HOPE is doing in the Bronx. The kids thank TestingMom.com for giving them test prep materials and for sponsoring the HOPE team.