NYC Gifted and Talented Program and Testing


Tons of questions from parents about NYC gifted and talented

Testing Mom Facebook Live the other night received tons of questions from parents about NYC gifted and talented test results that were recently released.

The folks over at TestingMom.com hosted a very informative Facebook Live the other night for frantic NYC parents who just received the test results for their talented tots. These parents all seemed to be the lucky ones whose children made a score high enough on the NNAT-2 test and OLSAT test to qualify for a coveted seat into one of these elite kindergartens in New York City for the 2017-2018 school year. It seemed that all the parents on the Facebook Live feed were happy since they were asking about what schools were the best and bragging about their gifted girls and brilliant boys throughout the hour+ session on Facebook. Here are a few of the many questions that the New York City parents were spouting throughout the session:

  • I called the kinder doe hotline and was told that admissions to district gifted and talented is based on lottery. The G&T handbooks however states that they go by the score. So confused.
  • Given your experience what are your thoughts on PS 33 Chelsea Prep G&T? Seemed like a very large school. Do you feel it is luck of the draw based on your assigned teacher?
  • Our son scored 97th percentile, our one in district school with a gifted and talented class isn’t so great. being in the 97th percentile, how good are his chances at a better district school with a G&T class?
  • Do you know anything about District 22 G&T schools in Brooklyn? Our son’s overall score was 92 and his current school has a G&T program but I was told by a parent that he needed to score in the 99th percentile to get in.
  • We are in District 14, and there is only one G&T Program, once you are under 97%, how do they decide placement in district-wide, is it a lottery and is it worth exploring districts outside your own? Any thoughts on PS 132?
  • My older one is in citywide G&T school at TAG. The younger one is District G&T program already. Last 2 years she got 96. Is there any chance to get in TAG as sibling preferences. By the way, the younger one will be in 3rd grade next year.


NYC Gifted and Talented Testing Overview

NYC Gifted and Talented Testing

Here’s a good overview of the NYC gifted and talented program as of early 2017. If you are reading this, then you are a parent or a grandparent in NYC who is trying to find the best possible school for your little one.  There are so many options in New York – private schools, gifted and talented programs, general education – it can sometimes feel overwhelming, especially if your child is just 4-years-old!

1)      Citywide Gifted and Talented Programs – Children will take the Verbal Portion only of the Otis Lennon School Ability Test® (OLSAT® test), which counts for 50% of the child’s composite score (Following Directions, Aural Reasoning, Arithmetic Reasoning for Levels A, B, C or K – 2nd grade), and the Naglieri Nonverbal Ability Test® (NNAT®2 test), a non-verbal test, which counts for 50% of the child’s composite score. The question to your right is a practice question for the Pattern Completion subtest for the NNAT2 test.

 

OLSAT Levels Grade
 Level A  Pre-K to Kindergarten
 Level B  First Grade
 Level C  Second Grade

Your child will be given a nationally normed percentile rank for the OLSAT test and a percentile rank for the NNAT2 test.  Then, these two scores will be combined into a single percentile score that will be normed against other NYC students.   A child must score at the 97th percentile or above to be eligible for these programs.  In the last few years (due to space limitations), only children who score in the 99th percentile have gotten into these programs.  The only exception to this is siblings of current students who are admitted with 97th percentile or above.

2)      District Gifted and Talented Programs – Children will take the Verbal Portion only of the Otis Lennon School Ability Test (OLSAT test), which counts for 50% of the child’s composite score (Following Directions, Aural Reasoning, Arithmetic Reasoning for Levels A, B, C or K – 2nd grade), and the Naglieri Nonverbal Ability Test® (NNAT®2 test), a non-verbal test, which counts for 50% of the child’s composite score – a child must score at the 90th percentile or above to be eligible for these programs.

Your child will be given a nationally normed percentile rank for the OLSAT test and a percentile rank score for the NNAT2 test.  Then, these two scores will be combined into a single percentile score that will be normed against other NYC students.   A child must score at the 90th percentile or above to be eligible for these programs.

For the Otis Lennon School Ability Test® (OLSAT® test), there are 3 types of questions:

 

 Types of Questions Description of type of OLSAT verbal questions
Arithmetic Reasoning The child must listen carefully to math word problems that use basic mathematical concepts such as same, different, fewer, more, etc., along with simple addition, subtraction, fractions (half, quarter), etc.
Following Directions Here the child must listen carefully to verbal questions describing similarities and differences, positional and rank comparisons (above, below, between, next to, bigger, smaller, etc.), or descriptions and choose visual images that fit the description.
 Aural Reasoning Again, the child must listen carefully to verbal descriptions of scenarios, similarities and differences, prepositions, and situations that use vocabulary or ideas that make the child think in order to choose the visual image that fits the description.

 



NYC asked to release more data on schools
March 2, 2017, 6:50 pm
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According to the NY Times, councilman Bill Kallos, is proposing a new bill for the city to do deep dive into reporting of student information for public record. The NYC Dept of Ed. already posts on school capacity and whether a public school has too few or too many students. The councilman is proposing that residency information is also included. The impact of this is to not only tell what local kids are attending schools but also where NYC G&T students are coming from within their district or in the case of city wide programs where these students are commuting from. Many local residents complain that their child didn’t get a G&T seat because it was given to students who don’t even live near the school.  Mr. Kallos hopes that this new bill will increase more diversity within the NYC school systems since many neighborhoods are segregated by socio-economic class and by race.

Pretty much all of the citywide and district wide G&T programs are jammed pack since parents are vying for so few spots with so many children making the qualifying score. Many of these same parents have decent gen ed programs in their neighborhood although they are seeking an even better education for their talented tot. That’s why so many parents in Brooklyn, Queens and Manhattan their young child for the NYC Gifted and Talented test and anxiously await the test results that arrive each April. Here’s some good info on the NYC Gifted and Talented Test along with tons of practice questions.



NYC dept of ed changes gifted and talented information sessions

The NYC dept of ed changes gifted and talented information sessions for NYC parents. The sessions were previously held one time in each of the 5 boroughs. This year they will be hosting these seminars in each of the districts sprinkled throughout the city. Keep in mind, these sessions aren’t solely focused on the G&T program where they review OLSAT and NNAT-2 practice questions. These seminars also include pre-K and kindergarten (general ed.) information for parents considering these programs as well. Here are some practice questions for the OLSAT test and NNAT-2 test.

Here’s the schedule for November 2016:

 

District Date Time Location
District 1 Thursday, December 1 6-8pm P.S. 134 Henrietta Szold

293 East Broadway
New York, NY 10002

District 2 Wednesday, November 9 6-8pm M.S. 260 Clinton School for Writers and Artists

10 East 15th Street 
New York, NY 10003

District 3 Thursday, November 10 6-8pm P.S. 333 Manhattan School for Children

154 W 93rd Street 
New York, NY 10025

District 4 Thursday, November 17 4:30-7:30pm The Tito Puente Complex

240 E 109th Street 
New York, NY 10029

District 5 Monday, November 7 6-8pm P.S. 092 Mary McLeod Bethune

222 West 134 Street 
New York, NY 10030

District 6 Wednesday, November 9 6-8pm P.S./I.S. 210 Twentyfirst Century Academy For Community Leadership

501-503 West 152 Street New York, NY 10031

District 7 Wednesday, November 9 6-8pm P.S. 065 Mother Hale Academy

677 East 141 Street Bronx, NY 10454

District 8 Monday, November 7 6-8pm P.S. 119

1075 Pugsley Avenue Bronx, NY 10472

District 9 Thursday, November 10 6-8pm P.S./I.S. 218 Rafael Hernandez Dual Language Magnet School

1220 Gerard Avenue Bronx, NY 10452

District 10 Thursday, November 17 6-8pm P.S. 279 Captain Manuel Rivera, Jr.

2100 Walton Avenue Bronx, NY 10453

District 11 Monday, November 14 6-8pm P.S./M.S. 194

2365 Waterbury Avenue Bronx, NY 10462

District 12 Thursday, November 17 6-8pm P.S. 214

1970 West Farms Road Bronx, NY 10460

District 13 Tuesday, November 15 6:30-8:30pm P.S. 133 William A. Butler

610 Baltic Street Brooklyn, NY 11217

District 14 Thursday, November 17 6-8pm P.S. 110 The Monitor

124 Monitor Street Brooklyn, NY 11222

District 15 Monday, November 14 6-8pm P.S. 24

427 38 Street 
Brooklyn, NY 11232

District 16 Tuesday, November 1 6-8pm P.S. 308 Clara Cardwell

616 Quincy Street Brooklyn, NY 11221

District 17 Wednesday, November 9 6-8pm P.S. 770 The New American Academy

60 E.94th Street  Brooklyn,  NY 11212

District 18 Tuesday, November 1 6-8pm P.S. 66

845 East 96 Street Brooklyn, NY 11236

District 19 Thursday, November 10 6-8pm P.S. 013 Roberto Clemente

557 Pennsylvania Avenue Brooklyn, NY 11207

District 20 Tuesday, November 15 6-8pm Franklin D. Roosevelt High School

5800 20th Avenue Brooklyn, New  York 11204

District 21 Monday, November 7 6-8pm I.S. 096 Seth Low

99 Avenue P Brooklyn, NY 11204

District 22 Monday, November 14 6-8pm P.S. 222 Katherine R. Snyder

3301 Quentin Road Brooklyn, NY 11234

District 23 Tuesday, November 1 6-8pm P.S. 156K Waverly School of the Arts

104 Sutter Avenue Brooklyn, NY 11212

District 24 Wednesday, November 16 6-8pm P.S. 110

43-18 97th Place Queens, NY 11368

District 25 Monday, November 14 6-8pm I.S. 025 Adrien Block

34-65 192 Street Queens, NY 11358

District 26 Wednesday, November 16 6-8pm P.S./I.S. 266

74-10 Commonwealth Boulevard Queens, NY 11426

District 27 Monday, November 14 6-8pm M.S. 137 America’s School Of Heroes

109-15 98 Street Queens, NY 11417

District 28 Monday, November 7 6-8pm P.S. 182 Samantha Smith

153-27 88th Avenue Queens, NY 11432

District 29 Tuesday, November 1 6-8pm P.S. 035 Nathaniel Woodhull

191-02 90 Avenue Queens, NY 11423

District 30 Thursday, November 17 6-8pm The Woodside Community School

39-07 57th Street Queens, NY 11377

District 1 Thursday, November 10 6-8pm Space Shuttle Columbia

77 Marsh Avenue 
Staten Island, NY 10314

District 32 Monday, November 7 6-8pm P.S. 376

194 Harman Street Brooklyn, NY 11237



NYC expands outreach for gifted and talented program
October 26, 2016, 3:07 pm
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NYC expands outreach for gifted and talented program by providing information sessions

In the past, the DOE help information sessions one per borough which garnered hundreds of anxious parents at once to herd into an auditorium to find out how their gifted girl or brilliant boy could get a coveted seat in the NYC G&T program for either citywide or district wide.  The NYC Dept. of Ed. is hoping to increase overall parent attendance by having these information sessions at each of the districts to answer any and all questions parents may have about the program.  It’s also a 3 for 1 special since these sessions will also have information. Here’s more information provided by the DOE on this must-attend events for parents of little ones. There’s also a great article on DNA Info outlining all these changes and schedule by district.



NYC gifted and talented seminars in October
October 20, 2016, 3:50 pm
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Our friends at Testing Mom (home of the free practice questions for gifted and talented) are hosting two live seminars for parents in October. One will be on the Upper East Side and the other midtown west near Penn Station. Both seminars cover the same material so you only need to attend one.

If you’re a parent to a preschooler or early elementary school-aged child and feel overwhelmed or confused by the NYC gifted and talented program eligibility testing and admissions process, you can hear from a team of NYC experts. They do ask that due to the topic children should not attend these sessions. You can register below:

 



Non-profit HOPEorgNYC helps prepare kids for gifted and talented test

The non-profit HOPEorgNYC helps prepare kids for the gifted and talented test in New York City.  Jill Goldstein, founder of @HOPEorgNYC, founded the non-profit in 2015 due to the lack of participation of students in lower-income areas of NYC who take the NYC gifted and talented test for children entering kindergarten through 3rd grade. The mission of this group is to lessen the divide within the gifted and talented program in New York City.  HOPE meets with students every Saturday morning from September through January to help them prepare for the upcoming NNAT and OLSAT tests.

Over the years, it has been evident that the NYC gifted and talented program skews to more Caucasian and Asian students vs. African American and Latino students. The population of gifted and talented students based upon race is disproportionate to the racial population of the city. According to the NY Times, this racial segregation within the schools begins as early as pre-K and then really manifests itself going into kindergarten with the gifted and talented program.

HOPE plans to even out the playing field within district 10 in the Bronx where the program meets at the local library every Saturday to help local students prepare for the test. Their goal is two fold: help the kids succeed on the the G&T test and to do well in school.

Here are students who have benefited from the wonderful work HOPE is doing in the Bronx. The kids thank TestingMom.com for giving them test prep materials and for sponsoring the HOPE team.